CINDY: Yep. And it was just the usual chitchat, you know, asking, you know, got in the car and asked, how you doing and so forth and whether I was looking for a good time and so forth. The avid hunter would strip his victim naked (often in subzero temperatures) and simply set her free. He used it to stab her in the back, he said. CINDY: Sunday. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/. We are all the same. CINDY: They look the same. Okay. A turning point came in 1983, when a teenage prostitute named Cindy Paulson ran into a Fifth Avenue motel in handcuffs, saying that Hansen had imprisoned her at his home, raped her and put her on his plane for a one-way ride. You know, I was supposed to meet him. Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). He died in prison last month aged 75. CINDY: Yeah, but then again one seat looks the same. I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. How fitting! And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. CINDY: I knew I was in trouble. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. I think it will be a fun change of pace for me. He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. Hansen was the subject of a 2013 film titled, 'The Frozen Ground,' which starred Nicolas Cage as an Alaskan State Trooper investigating the slayings, with actor John Cusack portraying Hansen. CINDY: Well, I didnt. I overslept. The others were never located. And brown socks. Cindy reveals that Hansen flashed some bills at her and that she was entranced by the thought of his money. FLOTHE: Would you draw me a diagram of the house and Ill turn the tape off just for a minute while youre doing that. I was going through those emotions and seeing the same things. Previously I would avoid the conversation about my significant other, she says. He was really sweet. It seems most likely that he was arrested for the sexual assaults in December of 71, remained in trouble with the law (he served a short prison sentence) throughout 72, and probably started killing after his release. FLOTHE: Did he give you change? I chatted there with her a little bit and, uh, made an agreement with her that I was going to see her sometime. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. With a wood handle. Your email address will not be published. The security guard at that time I said I could meet him at ten or else at eleven. to start my podcast and YouTube channel. As an act of retribution against the people who he felt had tortured him, Robert talked a young bakery employee into helping him blow up a local school bus barn. No matter what her husband did, even after hed been arrested and jailed for rape, she remained by her husbands side. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. FLOTHE: When did he tell you this? This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? You know, like mine is. That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. Daigle, the corrections official, said that as far as she knows Hansen never saw the film. The FBI had been spot on about everything. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. The killer had been in declining health for the past year, the department said. Required fields are marked *. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. (inaudible). FLOTHE: Six in the evening? CINDY: OK. In the early morning of June 13th 1983, (months before the other bodies were found) Cindy Paulson appeared on the side of the road. CINDY: Yep. FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? Cindy Paulson was just 17 years old when she moved to Anchorage Alaska. How did talking to the real Cindy Paulson inform that process? Robert chased after his intended victim, but it was no use. * I strive to be as concise as possible when it comes to facts as theres no telling what an article may be used for. (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. "He will not be missed," said Frank Rothschild, the assistant district attorney who tried the case. (Sound of pages turning. Your email address will not be published. This was a secretive killer who is believed to have taken half of his murders with him to the grave. * I would like to talk about Roberts wife, Darla, and their two children for a minute. Black or brown? FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? I just want to do everything. CINDY: The Buick car, inside the garage. FLOTHE: About what time? To the left is the basement. On June 13, 1983, Hansen offered 17-year-old Cindy Paulson $200 to perform oral sex; when she got into the car, he pulled out a gun and drove her to his home in Muldoon. When she made the move to California in 2001, she became more open, sharing that she was happily married to a woman who also happened to be a great cook and winemaker. The Butcher Baker passed away of natural causes in August of 2014, he lived to be 75 years old. See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. Hansen worked in a supply room at the Lemon Creek prison in Juneau, where in 1990 authorities found an aeronautical chart, a hand-knit winter hat, magazine articles on plastic explosives and correspondence with a Juneau boat broker. FLOTHE: Like this? Hansen died around 1:30 a.m. at Alaska Regional Hospital, said Sherrie Daigle, deputy director of administrative services for the Department of Corrections. CINDY: On Fourth and Denali. So, that was nice. CINDY: Uh huh. So its early in the morning Its important, too, for people to see that it only takes one person to have faith in you, to care about you, to make you feel changed. I was kinda trippin I really thought (inaudible) Once theyd arrived Robert left his handcuffed victim in the back seat of his vehicle while he loaded his aircraft as per usual; Cindy waited until her captor was distracted, and when she saw her chance she jumped out of the car and ran for her life! Still, knowing something and proving it are two different things, and Glenn was going to need a good deal of help solving this case. FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? Cindy Paulson was Neighborhood All-Star on July 14. The website seems to belong to the author of the book which inspired the aforementioned Hollywood movie, his name is Leland E. Hale. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. CINDY: They were a dark brown. FLOTHE: And he contacts you at where? CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. She left the ADN in October 2018. Flothe (Sep 27, 1983) Cindy Paulson talks about Robert Hansen CINDY: (Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! So in 1939 Robert was born in Estherville, Iowa to an immigrant father. It was a red scar Then they would meet. Sadly in a roundabout way Robert brought upon his own two children the same thing which had traumatized him, his kids were bullied mercilessly for their fathers evil acts. OK, that wasnt even back there. Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. In 2007 his multi-billion payoff shorting the overheated U.S. housing market made him a global industry superstar. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? See how my sights are painted with an orange Hansen owned a bakery in a downtown mini mall and lived across town with his wife and children, who knew nothing of his double life. We should all help each other out and give love to everyone as much as possible. Im not going to help you do that, all right? A one-stop-shop for all things video games. No problem. The story of Hanson eluding police and his eventual capture became the subject of a 2013 movie, "Frozen Ground," starring John Cusack as the killer and Nicholas Cage as an Alaska state trooper. Together they entertained colleagues at their home. How does it compare to what you envisioned when you first read the script? What Cindy Paulson escaped is mind-numbing. And Ill give you one guess as to who fit the bill perfectly! Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. Thats not all he said, of course. Im sorry I dont remember the right dates and so forth. Brown and Caldwell's former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. It just felt (inaudible) and he pulled the gun out and that time he had handcuffs on my hands and I couldnt get the door open. We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. Hansen confessed to authorities that he had killed 17. FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? Robert Christian Hansen (the Butcher Baker) and the Delphi Murde FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. Her name is Cindy Paulson. And I said, Fine, no problem.. CINDY: He has kind of darkish, brownish hair. He was 75 years old. Kyle Hopkins is special projects editor of the Anchorage Daily News. But that's not the only discrepancy, another Hansen victim, DeLynn Frey, reportedly also was found near the same lake on the same day, but Mr Hoage said Frey was found near another lake in 1985. Maybe they were different frames. Glenn Flothe, AST. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Im a little confused about when the airplane seat got in and out of the car. What about Gimme Shelter which is completed? Facebook gives people the power to. CINDY: Im positive. CINDY: Thats it. CINDY: No. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. One night she picked up a small, skinny client with a pock-marked face who wore glasses and spoke with a stutter. Today, my ideas as an individual come from confidence founded on who I really am, versus the persona. That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. CINDY: Uh huh Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Couple find note in chimney that reveals their 290,000 house was 100 times cheaper 50 years ago. And it had a long barrel (turning of pages) like Figure 4 or (pause) Figure 2. Cause that was the smallest he had. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. Glenn Flothe, AST. There. Cause at the time, I was very new to Alaska and I dont never go to anybodys house. FLOTHE: How did he get in? View the profiles of professionals named "Cindy Paulson" on LinkedIn. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. Learn how your comment data is processed. I said, fine, we can do it in the car. FLOTHE: OK. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. But then, after that, I could not get over the fact of how amazing this character was and how I had to be a part of it. CINDY: Like a convertible (inaudible), 1978 Buick Century 4-Door Sedan (This photo is NOT Hansens Buick, but it is similar). FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than CINDY: It was a really dark color. I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. And then we hear about the same meet up from Cindy Paulsons perspective, documented in her trooper interview with Sgt. Hes got like frog warts on his face. Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. She was a prostitute who was kidnapped and raped before managing to escape, but when she went to the police, Hansen evaded arrest because the lead investigator didn't . CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. FLOTHE: Um hmm. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. When Hansen drove up to Paulson and propositioned her, she agreed to get into his car. But after some bodies were found by hunters in the area, investigators re-visited suspects and realized he fit the profile. CINDY: Yeah. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. It was smooth like Figure 20s handle, but the gun was shaped like Figure 21. Dont worry. I was just I was hysterical and shocked, didnt know what to do, he was chasing after me with a gun. Can you tell us how that all came about? We just want her to be identified.'. "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". RH: Yes. And, um, he took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in Muldoon. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy CINDY: Yes, its real Hell yeah, Im bothered by it. In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansen's house on Old Harbor Road. CINDY: Uh huh. This site is not free, I pay more than $300 just to keep this. FLOTHE: And when did you hear from him again? I saw him the next day, Sunday. FLOTHE: OK. Its been some time since you last talked to him, in fact, its been quite some time. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: And about what time was that? FLOTHE: Horns? After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. As of 5:30 Saturday afternoon theres a new article available. CINDY: Yes, directly. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. FLOTHE: You drove past the house? Healthy mother-of-two, 32, collapsed and died from brain bleed while she led fitness bounce class, Taking Vitamin D each day could cut your chances of getting dementia, study claims. That opens the door to me being accessible and fully embraced and thats powerful. CINDY: The same person. And she, uh, cant remember if she wasnt there or she couldnt couldt meet me. CINDY: Tons By the time hed caught up, Cindy had flagged down a passing motorist; this good samaritan drove the teen to a nearby hotel room, and he promptly notified the Alaskan police. Its very specific and unique, and its that type of film. He spent many of the final years of his life working as a jailhouse barber. FLOTHE: Did you give him the room number too? Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). Vanessa Hudgens: I was a little bit shaken up that this guy who was well respected in the neighborhood and everyone knew as the family man could have done such atrocious and heinous crimes. CINDY: Um hmm I was surprised that I could do it and then go home and be able to feel removed from it. FLOTHE: Did he tell you what his name was? CINDY: He just drove by. And do what he pleased with her. I guess Im superstitious, so I dont like talking about things until they happen, but there are a few things in the works. He had been transferred to the hospital on Wednesday. CINDY: A little moustache. I thought it was an amazing take on pop culture and where we are today and how the generation is so media-driven and see and be seen. It was just a really interesting take on college students. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. CINDY: OK. 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