Occasional kabooms are a predictable outcome. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Zimmerman said he is confident his plaintiffs will prevail in the lawsuit filed this week. It was the same sort of progressively worsening extraction issues you describe. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! I was having issues with my P320, failure to extract that started off as a single incident in a month, then increasing in frequency after. I suggest you contact Sig Customer Service, let them know you have an early P320 Compact and ask for replacement Extractor, Extractor Pin, and Extractor Spring due to the FTE issues you are encountering. Got a whole lot more than the handful you've got pictured too! Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, Fifth Circuit Finalizes Ruling In Favor of Plaintiff in Cargill v. 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Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. Last year, Sig Sauer settled a class-action lawsuit that alleged design defects in the P320. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. UPDATE: 7-6-16 So, received my P320 9F back from Sig Sauer. Steel casing ammo much better off in polymer mags. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. NH food pantries expect rise in demand as SNAP benefits drop, Saint-Marc, tapped as federal magistrate judge, poised to make history in NH, NH AGs pursuit of hate group marks a turning point in officials response to extremism, Over 2 million more electric vehicles estimated in New England over next decade. Your link has been automatically embedded. The gun has been running flawlessly with mixed brass with 165gn plated, 158gn 38/.357, and 147 factory since. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! So what's left? Now it runs anything and no further problems. This summer, the gunmaker prevailed in a suit involving a Hillsborough man who claimed his P320 discharged without a trigger pull. Will this issue get better or should I be contacting Sig? People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. The new trigger mechanism is less likely to fire without the trigger being pulled, making the P320 much safer to use. Trust a P365 with your life. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. Make sure the parts are installed correctly. That seemed to help for a while. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. Display as a link instead, who sells them? I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. Theyve also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. Sig Sauer replaced his barrel with a new one after he sent it to them. But I just had a case blowout this afternoon. Enough to recall pretty much all of Oklahoma state troopers and reissue a new one. It was possibly a gun that had been ordered and returned, but could not be sold as new at that point. I initially thought that i had an extractor issue because i was getting FTE with some white box and otherRN, and FMJ ammo.. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. Either the gun is defective or its not. Just as a follow up, it appears that one case separation was a fluke. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. . Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. I think he said that they replaced the extractor pin or spring or something, but not the extractor itself. But that doesn't excuse poor design and quality control. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. Sig Sauer P320 comes in an exposed hammer version for Military use. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. Powered by Invision Community. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. But 2 hour drive to the Fedex hub. Right. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Tomac. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. True Thats like telling the cop you were only going 5 over, not 10. It was a weakend case, and the gun was fine after I repleced the extractor with a spare I had. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. NO. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. They didnt have to, but did. Any gun, ANY GUN, that goes off as many times as the Sig P320 has and has been documented without a trigger being pulled is FAR FAR FAR from being a great gun. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? You couldnt ask questions. It has worked flawlessly. I realize that this is an older post but I wanted to add that a friend of mine has blown 2 extractors out of his M17. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. Including winchester white box,and aluminum, no steel. The new suit is the latest in a string of similar cases that alleges Sig Sauers popular P320 striker-fired pistol has a design flaw that has led to unintentional discharges of the weapon, often while still holstered. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. You arent a gunfighter, either. This is a great way to give your pistol a subtle, custom . My guess would be somehow you: 1. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. My email address is in my Member Profile. and it did not have issues without the extractor. BAM. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Give me a break. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. Almost like they used a revolver forcing cone cutter to give it a elongated mouth to enhance feeding. Sig sculpted the rear of the frame shell to allow your hand a more comfortable, and higher, carry, with an extended beavertail. I think I may know what happened. Asking for a friend. The new guy sucks. I do not even know if sending it back to Sig at this point would tell me anything, as they are just going to test fire it with brass and tell me not to use steel case ammo.. Quick Reply to: Sig P320 Extractor Upgrade and FTE Fixes FaRKle0079 4.49K subscribers Subscribe 7K views 2 years ago The P320 has been the most unreliable pistol I own, primarily due to failure to extract. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. For the sake of comparison, the P365 has an overall length of 5.8-inches and height of 4.3inches, and the P365 XL has an overall length of 6.6-inches and a height of 4.8-inches. Now before anyone starts with the questions lets answer the common ones. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. The gun ran better then it has but instead of stove pipes out of about 120 rounds she had about 4-6 fte but with these fte was almost like the ejector didnt even attempt to grab the case. But Shatner? The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. In 2017, a prominent online gun shop pulled the P320 from its shelves, citing its concern that the weapon could fire if dropped from the wrong angle. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. The rear 1/3rd of the case isfreely able to bloat. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. Possibly. This is a well known vulnerability of the P320 FCU, and is perhaps a reason SIG should have engineered the system with a replaceable ejector. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. Doesn't happen with any of the other calibers / kits. Sig Sauer has previously settled some lawsuits involving alleged discharges. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Interestingly the barrel looks different. The fact that it happened to you three times with the same ammo eliminates the gun as the variable, and makes it the ammo. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. It's a little disappointing because I was a huge fan. Sent the old kit (as a complete pistol) off to Sig for warranty repair. Over pressure, and poor case support, just a thought. That incident, along with another alleged unintended discharge involving a Milwaukee officer, prompted the department to recently announce it intends to take the P320 out of service for its officers. I've lost a little faith in my EDC. Jim. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. And thats just my opinion. As they should. My buddy took 1st place in the Delmarva championship with the X5 in CO. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. rpm8300 It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. Got a bad batch of WW ammo or I still own them all. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. Once SIG SAUER receives your P320 pistol, they will apply the upgrades, test it, and then return it to you free of charge. (Strange) Anyway I took it to the range last night for a test run. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. Just recently got a 9mm Full Size kit and it's driving me nuts. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. . Repeat Failure To Eject malfunctions with a Sig P320 .40 destroy my end of year competition scores:/ Life's too short to be working a gun that's working against. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. Looking for possible tips before she starts to get frustrated. I am shooting reloaded ammo. Any Armorer . So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. The lead plaintiff, Fernando Armendariz, an agent with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, alleges that his department-issued P320 suddenly and unexpectedly discharged while he was re-holstering it in April 2021, resulting in a gunshot wound to his thigh. So i finally sent in my 320sc for the upgrade. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! Shoot fast, shoot safe. SIG says ABC had intended to include some of those other claims in their reports, but after SIG informed the network of the additional information that was uncovered, those cases werent included in either of the segments. World renowned and the choice for many of the premier global military, law enforcement and commercial users. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. In that case lighten the recoil spring or bumping up the power should make a difference. Thanks for the replies guys and gals. This part is a high-quality replacement internal extractor for specific versions of the P220 and most X5 models. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. jimmy1256 One was purchased new and the other was a CPO. Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. . I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Would you? So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. . MGW carries a vast array of replacement slides, barrels, magazines, sights, grip modules, pins, springs and other small parts for this handgun. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? The Sig Sauer P320 Extractor is a Factory OEM Sig Sauer part. From what I can tell, it has all the GEN II upgrades. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. Still waiting. I sold that pistol when I got it back. The problem affecting the original P320 is what the gun industry calls an "unintended discharge," or as one lawsuit against Sig Sauer explains: "The weapon fires without a trigger pull.". TACTICALRELOAD-The 4 to 6 week time frame was given to me by customer service rep. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. A forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles owners and enthusiasts. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! I have read on forums where the factory swapped the extractor and made another change to add more tension on it. SHORTBUS- As stated, used all of the other calibers and kits with both FCUs. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. I have 2 FCUs and 4 caliber kits. yes. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Both are listed by Sig Sauer as micro-compacts, but the size difference is there, and it does make a difference. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. It might only take a little bridging in the powder drop so that a cartridge gets an extra .2gr. By (It wasnt my gun). Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. The P320 9mm compact was known to have issues with failure to extract. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. A full-length external extractor will measure greater than 1 inch. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. The extractor is offered only as part of a comprehensive reliability upgrade service. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Includes: -Extractor-Extractor Pin-Extractor spring Ron, Your previous content has been restored. Plastic crap! ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. I would just order a new extractor and related components and try the gun again. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. When I got it back it was ammo fussy for about 600 rounds. Before the guide rod/spring change we were having a lot of stove pipes. Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. Hey yall! We'll see what happens now. And I have a separate channel for mall ninja training tips. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Although if you have the RA, you may also have a pre-paid shipping label. RAYZ-When I LAMR I load a full mag (11 rounds in a factory 17 or 21 round mag) then cycle the slide. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. 1300324. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. After many years of testing, we've developed a replacement part that . The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Sig Sauer has also made other changes to the P320, including a new striker safety mechanism and a new disconnect safety. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. False 40. Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Got my P320 in March 2015 so it was one of the earlier ones. Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. . More common is the incorrect reassembly, for those who have removed the plunger, spring or claw. You said you don't have the problem with any of your other kits. BrianEnos.com Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. ALL OF THEM. Jan 2019. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? POLISHED SILVER | Polished CrN. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. It's been my EDC since that time and has been 100% reliable. One thing that I haven't see you state yet, when you LAMR do you go to slide lock and drop a round in the chamber, drop the slide, and load a full mag? As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. If you run into any issues, please call Customer Service and they will help you through the process. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. This is actually another new Sig p320 RX, besides the 2 sig blow outs last match[emoji13]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. I have a 2015 born sc that has almost 2k rounds thru it & not one fte has occurred. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). Sometimes in front, straight back, just barely falling out and down, and even to the LEFT. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. First off, no joke on me. Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. Still no issues except an occasional FTF as I play with ammo loads and seating depths. I have several marks on the right side of my RMR as well. Interestingly the barrel looks different. ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. During a confrontation with a suspect, Parkss department-issued P320 allegedly fired while his hands werent on the weapon, resulting in a bullet wound to Maritato. Possible causes of that: No change. OK, in answer to all of the above questions. So I see this asa manufacturer issue not an ammo issue. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Broken ejector. Thanks, Jim. Still thinking. Im looking into an aftermarket barrel that at least doesn't have that funnel cut nonsense, just a standard chamfer, for a little more support for my own peace of mind. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. there is no better. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. "how long will it take to get my gun back?". I don't think this has a bearing in this case because I tried Federal factory premium loads and Winchester factory loads as well as my hand loads. That took a lot. Thanks. The problem was strikers. On 320 based guns, make sure the ejector has not been bent up or otherwise damaged.
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