After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. Learn how your comment data is processed. Originally Posted by Kestas. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? Makes a fantastic daily driver. Use it however you wish or block it off. The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. JavaScript is disabled. JavaScript is disabled. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. Power will be greater with an LS swap. I was just giving you a hard time. Hi Adriano. Yup, that's John's car. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. It's 80%. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. Wow, Thanks for all the info. It may not display this or other websites correctly. used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. it isnt a direct swap. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. What can be done and how much will it cost? I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. He is an electrical wizard. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. Not needed anyhow. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Remove with transmission attached. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d-td-class/2408521-e36-amg-project.html?amp=1, nos AMG Bodykits C126 W126 W124 W201 W116 R107. via Oppositelock. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! 20cm is slightly too long). The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. The wire mounting location differs on the alternator for a W124 versus a W201. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. all that accumulated grease and oil. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. via Engine Swap Depot Any slk egne fit in there? i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Learn how your comment data is processed. You are using an out of date browser. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. these are quite uncommon. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. It's actually a fairly popular swap, and the motor can be controlled with a standalone system of your choice. The M104.98x introduces a new vacuum nipple. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. Learn how your comment data is processed. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. My M104 is a 99 hfm. Said it made around 345hp(?) In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. ugh! Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Is a swap possible? The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. It barely sticks now when floored. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. You must log in or register to reply here. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. You are using an out of date browser. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! Maybe a steering unit from a w210? When you find one, buy it. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? It was built for the track and drifting. The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . 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