In addition, Smith found that the number of steps fallen down was significantly associated with skull fractures. Xx, Kids that age seem to be made of rubber and just bounce i remember one of mine at about 10 or 11 months old falling off the sofa were she was lieing having her nap she smacked her head on the table leg and just got up as though nothinhg had happened this was all in the time it took to go to the loo, No it was an Argos gate! Rushing to your child's side every time they stumble will wear you out and make your child overly cautious. No mom in the world can keep an eye on a busy toddler every second of the day when they have a house to keep up, meals to cook, laundry to do, etc., etc., much less keep track of what an older child is opening and closing behind them as they both move at the speed of light. I knew better! Group Owners uphold the core values of the brand by reporting content that violates the community guidelines. Falls prevention tips. What can I do (besides fix the gate)? Group Leaders arent expected to spend any additional time in the community, and are not held to a set schedule. accidents happen she will be okay. Having this online community really helps right now. Reiber comes to the same conclusion as Chadwick above, that cases with extensive injury and a history of a short fall may not have an accurate history. Make sure the stairs are free of toys and other trip hazards. (Beyond the Basicos). Awww don't feel bad, things like this have happened to so many people! So far he's completely fine and only cried for about 30 seconds. Create an account or log in to participate. I still feel bad and guilty that happened. My friend's child came round age 1.5 and was much better on the stairs than mine at 3. You are 100% NOT a bad mom. It's not your fault. It doesn't make you a bad mum! My daughters 10 months and is taking steps/falling over constantly hurting herself never seems to faze her, strong little beings! With the first we had a top of stairs gate only. It happened to us a month ago. He's been able to go up and down the stairs for awhile on his own but he slipped and I couldn't catch him. Baby fell down the stairs. ohhh i know how you feel, my little one fell down from stairs as well and even cut his head on door hinge. Trust me you'll get over it soon but you'll be extra careful in future. She was fine and shes 5 years old now. If you have a car take him to casualty, if not ring for an ambulance. That's heartbreaking, I'm so glad to hear baby is fine! My LOs accident taught me obviously to never use the car seat in the shopping cart but mostly to appreciate every moment with my baby, even the tough days. Call a member of your family, a close friend or even a taxi to drive you down. Fifteen percent of patients suffered significant injuries including seven long bone fractures and 12 linear skull fractures. I basically slid down on my knee super hard and instantly held my arm around him to keep him from getting hurt. She will be fine, just remember it wasn't your fault, things happen like this all the time xxx, Poor baby! The worry here is that . The image of my baby landing at the bottom makes me nauseous. My heat stoped and I couldnt breathe I was freaking out.. i rushed down the stairs and my daughter was crying like crazy obviously. SO. Don't blame yourself. If you feel a message or content violates these standards and would like to request its removal please submit the following information and our moderating team will respond shortly. In this study, no child sustained a significant intracranial injury from a short vertical fall. The educational health content on What To Expect is reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts to be up-to-date and in line with the latest evidence-based medical information and accepted health guidelines, including the medically reviewed What to Expect books by Heidi Murkoff. Thirty-two percent in the minor fall group were also found to have retinal hemorrhages, axonal injury or both. The educational health content on What To Expect is reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts to be up-to-date and in line with the latest evidence-based medical information and accepted health guidelines, including the medically reviewed What to Expect books by Heidi Murkoff. The children in these series are older, which limits the applicability to infants. Sixteen percent in the minor fall group also had evidence of a torn frenulum, and another 16 percent had old fractures. Yesterday 07:14. Awww poor u!! MY 19MONTH OLD JUST FELL DOWN THE STAIRS, Get the days best CHAT sent straight to your inbox, I have read and understood Netmums' Privacy Notice and Terms & Conditions. The Mayerson Center for Safe and Healthy Children at Cincinnati Childrens Hospital Medical Center provides the following clinical update of literature, organized by types of falls and by mechanism of fall, specifically falls from beds, falls down stairs, falls in walkers, falls from heights and fatal falls. Well everything was Baby Boy is here! Chiaviellos series had a higher frequency of significantly injured children (7 percent had skull fractures vs. 2 percent in the Joffe series, and one child had a subdural hematoma). Find advice, support and good company (and some stuff just for fun). We post daily vlogs!\r \r We are a family of 9 (YES, 7 kids) who love to experience the best of life through . Don't beat yourself up too much!! We always keep the door shut but sometimes it gets left open by accident. I was searching the forums in a panic for more info.38 w tomorrow and fell down my full flight of stairs this morning. She is okay. So sorry this has happened to other people too. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. Seventy four percent of patients in the minor fall category were later found to be victims of non-accidental trauma. Im so sorry that happened! Hopefully she didn't get to jostled, but I know it startled her. Ladies and Gentlemen, let me just tell you, I fell down the stairs with the baby and it was THE SINGLE MOST FRIGHTENING THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN MY LIFE! 2011. The fact that she cried when it happened is a good sign normally. They postulate that stairway injuries are less severe than free falls of the same total distance and consist of a mild-moderately severe impact followed by a series of low-energy falls. Barlow (1983) and Roshkow (1990) both studied falls from heights, again in older patients. Moms, dads, partners, grandparents, birthing partners and more. Don't beat yourself up mama these things happen to everyone! Your wee man won't remember although it'll haunt you for a little while hun. The #1 app for tracking pregnancy and baby growth. He was unconscious for like 2 minutes (felt like hours!!) i cried for like an hour afterwards!! we literally just brought him home from the NICU. She has a bruise on her forehead and after a lot of initial crying she has been totally normal and happy all day. She said her daughter fell down the stairs from the main floor to the basement and the floors were cement. A Group Leader is a What to Expect community member who has been selected by our staff to help maintain a positive, supportive tone within a group. good thing I still have some extra padding there . Im sorry that happened! My LO fell from her car seat from the top of a shopping cart onto the concrete parking lot when she was 3 months old. Learn more about, Twins & Multiples: Your Tentative Time Table. Accidents happen and it doesn't make you a bad mum! I went to see our GP straight away, without an appointment and firstly they said they couldn't see us until afternoon. Hugs x, Thank you for your kind replies. Group Owners uphold the core values of the brand by reporting content that violates the community guidelines. I would take your Doc's word for it. Fallschildren. I still cant get that visual and sound from my head. Al. Try not to beat yourself up about it and just use it to help keep things in perspective (how lucky u/ we all are to have lovely healthy babies). When your child does take a minor tumble, try not to overreact. Charlotte fell out of her highchair a couple of weeks back straight onto the kitchen floor. Roshkow had slightly different findings: that the pattern of injury, including the presence of a head injury, did not relate to the height of the fall and that significant head injury was not uncommon after falls from heights >10 feet. Group Black's collective includes Essence, The Shade Room and Naturally Curly. Luckily I escaped with just minor injuries. Older walkers may tip over more easily and harm your baby. Please specify a reason for deleting this reply from the community. I let my baby fall out of the swing when he was like 2 months old. I took a bad fall on the stairs with the baby August 3, also contorted myself to protect the baby. Your post will be hidden and deleted by moderators. I'm slowly getting to grips with the sickly abreviations on here but that one is a mystery. If your child fell on their head and has anything more than a light bump, call your child's doctor as they may need to be evaluated. My brother fell down a flight of stairs in a walker when he was a baby because I left the door open when my mom had stepped into the bathroom Thankfully he is fine today. A fall down the stairs in which you land hard on your buttocks can result in a painful butt bruise. I called the pediatrician expecting to be told to go to the ER but they asked me a bunch of questions and said he sounds fine and just gave me some warning signs of things to watch for. A brand new 2021 car we only had for 2 weeks. When creating and updating content, we rely on credible sources: respected health organizations, professional groups of doctors and other experts, and published studies in peer-reviewed journals. I've never felt so bad in all my life! Just remember, boys are tough and I'm sure he'll be getting himself into little bumps and bruises - probably many more to come. Delivered vaginal w/ nitrous, ask me anything! Most falls will not cause serious injury. Three children in this series suffered a depressed skull fracture from falling against surfaces. Accidents happen, glad you all are okay! Please specify a reason for deleting this reply from the community. I'm so grateful that he's fine but its not fine that it happened in the first place. Don't feel bad! Yesterday my beautiful, sweet 11-month-old fell down an entire flight of stairs because I didn't latch the gate right and wasn't watching him closely enough. We are so lucky. Your baby or child may have more rapid or shallow breathing than normal. We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. Those patients who struck concrete were also more likely to have a skull fracture (not significant). Hold that little girl just a little longer tonight and be so so thankful! i was freeeeaking out. She's fine.i felt so fast we never go down there but I had to pay a bill and that's where our computer is. Our poor pediatrician had to listen to me crying on the phone and remind me I was a good mom and accidents happen. Hugs xxx soph. He was fine after 30 seconds of crying, but I felt (and feel) AWFUL. Read the article summaries about falls from beds. Chadwick (1991) looked at 317 children admitted to a trauma center with the mechanism of injury being a fall. They found that 7 / 100 children died from a fall of 1-4 feet, 0 / 65 children died from a fall of 5-9 feet and 1 / 118 children died from a fall of 10-45 feet. Continue to carefully observe your child for the next 24 hours. We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. It could have been so much worse. She is still a mommas girl. I picked him up thinking he was fine and as I turned him over I saw blood all over him. 9 month old screaming all hours at night!! Please select a reason for escalating this post to the WTE moderators: Connect with our community members by starting a discussion. Mom of the year right here. I know you can't help feeling guilty but accidents happen hon, try not to beat yourself up about it. 2011. I beat myself up for so long but it didn't do anything to help. Chiaviello (1994) studied 65 patients in walkers who tipped over or fell down steps, and Smith (1997) performed a similar study on 271 children. We arent perfect. Baby fell down stairs. .Cat blocks and prevents a baby from crawling to a fatal fall down some stairs #catsofig #gatto #dogsofinstagram . No hate please I feel horrific and can't stop crying. . My boys face hit the pavement, there was blood everywhere and I had to pick my wee girl up from nursery. Mama bear instincts kicked in for sure. Joffe also noted that there was no correlation between severity of injury and number of steps fallen down. Essentially he was in my left arm so I instinctively turned to my ride side to absorb the impact. Group Black's collective includes Essence, The Shade Room and Naturally Curly. If your baby has significant external injuries, is unconscious, or seems confused or disoriented, call 911 or your local emergency services. He did not get bumped big cried really hard out of being startled and my reaction I think. My husband was working late so I had both our then 2 mo April DS and 20 mo DD by myself for bedtime. Head injury in children: How to know if it's minor or serious. Any of these symptoms need to be monitored very closely. Basically the baby gate on the bedroom door failed and our 10 month old daughter fell down the stairs (14 steps). I had forgotten to close the basement door. That must have been absolutely terrifying for you! ! Which is only funny because he would never push the baby. Group Black's collective includes Essence, The Shade Room and Naturally Curly. If you get your baby a walker, make sure it complies with British Standard BS EN 1273:2005. My daughter's behaviour is really getting me down :(. A Group Leader is a What to Expect community member who has been selected by our staff to help maintain a positive, supportive tone within a group. Unfortunately accidents happen and there are bound to be more bumps and scrapes to come! Accidents happen and you definitely did the best thing calling for help immediately! My LO fell off my bed at 6 months - not just a topple over, she went flying off at 100 miles per hour and landed with a bump that was heard clearly in the room below. Read the article summaries about falls from walkers and shopping carts. She wasnt buckled in her car seat because I was literally right in front of her pushing the cart through the store and parking lot. Get immediate medical attention. And welcome to the mom is human clubwe're all in it and we all have accidents with our kids. 2022. What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. How scary that must've been for you. I called 911 and she was transferred to a childrens hospital. Glad your LO is ok. My lo didn't fall down a whole flight of stairs, only a couple. But thats how they learn and explore. My fiance an I fell pregnant october of 2021 and had our sweet in July, we ended up moving where we are at currently because I was pregnant. Just promise yourself you'll always shut the gate from now on and you'll feel a lot better! It was heart breaking! I fell down a flight of stairs as an infant, with my grandmother. I feel ashamed, sick to my stomach, and just terrible. I was just getting out of the shower and I heard a bunch of banging noises I thought it was a dresser or something falling I ran out of the bathroom in my towel freaking out because my sister was watching my one year old daughter while I was showering it turns out it was my daughter falling . Secondly, you took all of the medical steps necessary for the situation. she screamed bc she was scared!! 3 week old choking on his saliva when put down. Hall (1989) reviewed records of pediatric deaths from a history of a fall. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). Taylorbeauty91 14/03/18. Please select a reason for escalating this post to the WTE moderators: Connect with our community members by starting a discussion. Tarantino (1999) studied 167 patients 10 months of age or younger who sustained vertical falls 4 feet or lower. https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/Safety-for-Your-Child-2-to-4-Years.aspx [Accessed May 2022], CDC. Ok I had a reallly horrible experience too, I put my LO in a floatie in the swimming pool, not toally in, just sitting on top and I heard the door bell go (well so I thought), I left him for literally seconds as I realised no one was there and then I heard a splash as he went in, I have never moved so fast in all my life, to see him sinking was the most awful thing ever. He kept him awake for an hour afterwards (this happened at 3am, so DS was tired anyway). In my babys fall as well as yours, the outcome couldve been so much different. A Group Owner is a member that has initiated the creation of a group to connect with other members to share their journey through the same pregnancy & baby stages. i dont have a car omg is it that dangerous. 22/12/2011 at 4:11 am. American Academy of Pediatrics. Both studies noted that single injuries to the head or extremities predominate. It could have been so much worse. What Should I Do If My Toddler Hits Her Head? Still, falls can be serious and are a leading cause of death and injury in children under age 5. Magic parent strength kicked in and I was able to stop her head from slamming into the wood floor by inches. Has this ever happened to any other mothers out there? It will take a wee while for it to get back into sorts but trust me you will feel better soon, I live in a flat and there are stairs down to get to the front door. This morningmy beautiful, sweet 11-month-old fell down an entire flight of stairs. Right after a bath with slippery hands and feet from lotion and ran down the hall before I could stop him, grabbed the banister and his hand came right off and he somersaulted all the way down. I somehow went straight down on my bum and she was upright and fine! Their breathing may even stop for ten to twenty seconds at a time. I slipped holding the baby on a slick floor and wow the mom instincts are real. 2 year old fell and now won't put any weight on her leg, really clingy 8 month old, really getting me down :(, Help my 13 month old son has just had a fall down the stairs, i was anwering the door and thought i had shut the safety gate, i heard the most sickening loud thud x5 and presume it was his little head bouncing of them. Did you see him fall? Please whitelist our site to get all the best deals and offers from our partners. If your child looks okay to you and seems to be acting normally: Chances are the fall didn't cause serious injury. Whatever you are going through, you are not alone. I'm so glad your baby is okay. 1999-2022 Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center. If you're uncomfortable with the severity of your child's fall you think they must have gotten hurt or if your child is acting irritable or confused, take them to the doctor or emergency room to get checked out. Fractures side effects In a 2013 study of fractures caused by falls down stairs,. All of the children in this series are older, which limits the applicability to infants. My almost 8 month old started crawling last week and I've been trying to be so careful about shutting the door to our basement but today I messed up and she ended up falling down a flight of stairs. Offering you some empathy and also some wisdom to keep an eye on things. Anonymous. All we can do is try our best everyday. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). Put an ice pack on the bump on his head. So far he's completely fine and only cried for about 30 seconds. Happened here around 11 months. Safety for your child: 2 to 4 years. I'm so glad you both are doing okay! She was totally fine and was her normal happy self like an hour later. Don't let the guilt ruin your special moments with your baby. Both also noted a greater occurrence of injury in infants who fell while being carried (Joffe reported that 4 / 10 infants who fell while being carried sustained a skull fracture). Just looking for reassurance that Im not a terrible mom and that maybe this has happened to someone else and their baby is fine too. How common is it for babies to fall down the stairs? As long as they're okay bumps and grazes heal, hard to stop them exploring! A WOMAN took to Mumsnet to reveal how her six-month-old baby girl fell off the bed while her back was turned - and it has had a mixed reaction. 2005-2023Everyday Health, Inc., a Ziff Davis company. m. mamawildman. The mean age of patients was about 9 months. Had a bad bruise in almost the exact same place and a sore, sore butt/hip on the same side. https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/Safety-for-Your-Child-1-to-2-Years.aspx [Accessed May 2022], AAP. Combining these series produces 368 children who fell about 2-4 feet and had no or minor injuries (total of three skull fractures; one clavicle fracture). I don't remember going down the stairs but I got to him quickly and scooped him up and he stopped crying within 30 seconds and then went back to playing. He found an incidence (based on California EPIC data) of 0.48 per million per year. 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